A bit of a poser

[docwebster]

To those who actually think "civil unions" are okay.. we didn't let them get away with this happy horseshit forty years ago when it was called "separate but equal", why are we supposed to let them get away with it now? What the hell's next, I ask you - separate homosexual drinking fountains? Homosexuals at the back of the bus? Where in the wide blue hell does it end, people?

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[griffen.livejournal.com]

THANK you.

I'm with you on this. Completely.

[christine9600.livejournal.com]

Amen! The ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

[the-macross.livejournal.com]

it ends in fire.

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[jilesa.livejournal.com]

I agree with you wholeheartedly when it comes to a long term solution. Legal marriage is not something I yen for at all, but I'll be right there cheering on any gay couple and/or polyamorous group that wants to challenge society's attitudes about marriage.

On the other hand, what isn't an acceptable end point may very well be a step in the right direction, and that's more or less how I feel about civil unions. No, they're not good enough, but they're better than nothing, and I think using them as an intermediate step along the path may not be a bad idea. If you think about it, 'separate but equal' was a step along the path from slavery to legal equality for African Americans. Civil unions are no more an acceptable place to *stop* the struggle for LGBT equality than 'separate but equal' was an acceptable place to stop the struggle for racial equality, but they can damned sure be a stepping stone toward real equality, IMO.

[stypica.livejournal.com]

I dunno... If there is a separation of church and state...seems like the marriage part would be church, and should be performed as such... civil union seems like anything that the state uses for laws and such... I would consider a hetero couple going to the JOP for the legal benefits of marriage a "civil union" and a gay couple going to whatever religion and getting joined a "marriage" (if that is even what their particular faith would call it).

In the end it's just symantics. Marriages won't help gays love each other more any more than it helps "standard" couples - it just grants legal protection and rights. Which to me is what a civil union should be about.

I guess that changes the current system way too mch to work though:/

[nehi.livejournal.com]

i agree -- and i'm glad someone else pointed it out, too.

in most european countries, a church marriage and a legal union are not the same thing, nor are they mutually inclusive. the common practice is to go get the legal ceremony (usually small, and private) done in the morning, then have the big 'church wedding' later in the day.

the problem with the whole situation here is that they are -not- mutually exclusive. most 'church weddings' also carry with them the legal benefits, although legal weddings do not carry the sacramental benefits, according to the church, and thus must be blessed. what this country needs is not gay marriage rights, but the legal rights and standings of any heterosexual couple married in the eyes of the law. our country just needs to do a better job of separating church and state -- in mind, as well as in legality.

[nehi.livejournal.com]

let me rephrase that:

but the legal rights and standings of any heterosexual couple joined in the eyes of the law.

which, actually, winds up illustrating my point further -- the inclusion is so ingrained that even when trying to make a point I went and fucked it up. :P

[docwebster.livejournal.com]

Poor dear. She hasn't had any chocolate or drills today.

[audioboy.livejournal.com]

Bravo to all of you for speaking your minds.

As someone who lives only a few minutes away from the Massachusetts StateHouse, I can tell you that the energy around here is high, along with the anger and the vitriol. A group of Religious Right nutcakes came up from Georgia this week and walked around Boston Common with these insulting signs and shouting out Bible verses. I'm so glad they are free to do this in any part of the US, just as I and my church are free to march through the Common our outside the StateHouse with our 8' banner that says "God Loves Everybody".

As far as I'm concerned, let more of the nutcakes come up here. The more radically mean and visible their message is, the more people on the fence are going to topple over onto our side. I'm just waiting for some enterprising reporter to catch one of the state reps muttering something homophobic under their breath on tape. Just watch the fur and sympathy fly then!

Don't give up hope, people. This is a civil rights issue, regardless of how hard the far right tries to convince people otherwise, and more and more people are beginning to understand this.

Halle-fucking-lujah!!!

[darkisst.livejournal.com]

You took the words right out of my mouth!

No wonder I like you so much!

XOXOXO