[personal profile] docwebster
This is the especial time of year all the Religious Reich people make people like me look like complete twats by association just because I believe in God and celebrate Christmas. Yes, I believe in God. Deal with it.

I don't believe in the tight assed control freak God the Leviticus inspired morons that are currently getting their shrivelled testicles in a twist over some illusionary war on Christmas believe in. I damn sure don't believe in the "kill 'em all and let me sort 'em out" God they believe in.

I like the book masquerading as the Bible they have out and have had out for centuries. But whatever that thing is damn sure ain't the Bible as it should be. It's been selectively edited by church leaders, time and again. It's had whole "books" taken out by church leaders who didn't agree with what was told and expressed in it, especially one whole book taken out that was removed because it was about a woman whose name escapes me. It's been twenty some years since I heard about it.

The God I believe in combines aspects of Buddha, assorted pagan Gods, Jerry Garcia, Jesus the Christ and is very definitely gender neutral to put it mildly. I think it's the height of human arrogance to assign the supreme deity of the universe a sexuality or gender, anyway. Taking all these postulates as truth (for the sake of argument if nothing else), it logically tells you that there's more than one God, anyway. At the very least, God and a smegload of metaphysical sysadmins, for lack of a better term. Anything else assumes a case of monomania on a truly, well, metaphysical scale.

I also think it's the height of human arrogance to think God's time scale would be the exact same as ours, anyway. Everything created in seven days? What do you think God is, some kind of speed freak on a level comparable only to John Belushi? Why is it so damn hard to conceive of the shocking possibility that God/Gods/Merle Finkelstein took his (yes I'm using his as my term of choice. It's just a word. Take a deep breath and try decaff if you're actually offended.) sweet time and created by evolving. I mean, I defy you to take one look at a duckbilled platypus and tell me that goofy animal was intelligent design. Late night drunken design, maybe. But I digress.

I think it's human arrogance at its finest to think that out of the wide cosmos in its infinite vastness that we're the only game in town when it comes to life. That's just farcical at best. "But there's no scientific proof", I hear you whinge. There wasn't scientific proof we could fly until somebody did it and I patently refuse to put my beliefs on hold until such time.

I believe in an afterlife. I think it was Charles Fort who postulated that if God created us in "his" image, then by extension we create Heaven in our image. In short, Heaven would be what we would envision as our Ideal Situation. I'll go into that in more detail somewhere down the road, but part of it is being able to go to Lakota Coffee and sit down for a latte over conversation with Moe Howard, Glenn Miller, and just about anybody I'm privileged to call my friends, internet or otherwise.

I do NOT believe in some moronic fiery Hell. No, I think if you're so bad Heaven doesn't want you, you get sent back dirtside to try it again until you get it right. That's hell enough, right there, but it gives you glimpses of what Heaven can be if you behave yourself and don't turn into a total asshole.

In temporary conclusion (temporary as in it's time to get some cleaning done around here and get dinner on), just because I believe doesn't make me stupid, it doesn't make me childish, and it damn sure doesn't entitle you to sneer at me because I believe in God. Try it and I'll rip your face off and feed it to my cats.

Discuss - but keep it civil or I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, to coin a phrase.
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Date: 2005-12-12 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yobadself.livejournal.com
I've heard of that. Isn't it a fiction book? Oh, wait...Christopher Moore, yeah, duh. I think.

Date: 2005-12-12 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yobadself.livejournal.com
I don't believe in a god, but I believe in an energy source. I believe in reincarnation and karma. I believe that Jesus was a very enlightened individual, but most likely many of the things about him were embellished. Based on esoteric Christianity things I've read (okay, okay, so Dan Brown started me on this obession), I agree about loooooads of things having been removed from the Bible. I think people shouldn't take it so literally.

It sounds like you're not, like, believing in a Christian God, but more *a* god type entity. Maybe I'm wrong.

I definitely don't know what I think about the origin of the universe though. I need to read up more about that. Because if it wasn't created, and a big bang happened, well, where the hell did all that energy or whatever that caused the big bang come from? eh? Gives me a headache.

I loved this entry of yours. Like whoa, even.

Date: 2005-12-12 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] witchylatina.livejournal.com
I was raised Catholic...to make it worse...Mexican Roman-Catholic! Over the years I have decided to just be spiritual...to have my own personal relationship with God/Goddess. I believe in Karma and reincarnation and all that....

I think as long as your belief in God is not restrained by what the organized religions of the world say...you should be fine.

Although...i have to say...if I was in my little town in Mexico right now....it would be a freakin' party because the Virgen of Guadalupe.

Date: 2005-12-12 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yobadself.livejournal.com
"I think as long as your belief in God is not restrained by what the organized religions of the world say..."

I agree! :D

Date: 2005-12-12 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] witchylatina.livejournal.com
Thank you.....

It took me a while to find my own spirit....too many years of catholocism.

Date: 2005-12-13 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] necrotica.livejournal.com
That's what I believe, too.

Date: 2005-12-12 10:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
There's reasonable support for the notion that "Elohim" is a plural noun; or rather, is a noun of quantity, like "water", where one does not ask "How many?" but "How much?". I like the idea of there being a muchness of God(s).

Date: 2005-12-12 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Nothing to discuss. As I read years ago (and I can't find the original source, but what I read, I'm pretty sure, was Jim Starlin paraphrasing someone in Dreadstar</i), every religion really has just one member. My attitude is, Just don't try to legislate yours onto me or mine, and we're all good. Be happy and well.

Date: 2005-12-13 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farmleaf.livejournal.com
Sounds about like my own beliefs.

Date: 2005-12-13 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluesucker.livejournal.com
kudos to you.
Believe what you want.
I still loves you!!!
:)

Date: 2005-12-13 01:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2005-12-13 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphirescarlet.livejournal.com
I like you. I like you even more muchly now. This is cool, and me too.

Date: 2005-12-13 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchhiker.livejournal.com
For me, the telling thing is that when the idea of a loving God clashes with the idea of a vengeful God, the latter almost invariably wins. Which is why I am what the Pope called a "cafeteria Christian" - there are bits of theology that I am simply unable to accept.

Date: 2005-12-13 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchhiker.livejournal.com
Also, most ultrareligious people simply have no imagination, and thus end up severely limiting their deity.

Date: 2005-12-13 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livingdeadgyrl.livejournal.com

Lmfao @ Jerry Garcia.
God, you are awesome.

Date: 2005-12-13 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docwebster.livejournal.com
So are you, beautiful, so are you. :)

Date: 2005-12-13 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] josette.livejournal.com
I'm a Mormon who gets harassed from all sides of the religious spectrum. We believe that the Bible currently in fashion is the "expurgated version" too. (They wet their nests, apparently, when we mention this)

Lots of people I know have expressed this disdain for Christmas, that we've "jacked" the birthday of Jesus and this is really a pagan festival rescheduled to accomodate someone's calendar. All I know is that it's a good time to be with family, have some time to reflect and bake lots of cookies to heat up the kitchen. The other stuff is nice, but not necessary.

Date: 2005-12-13 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] docwebster.livejournal.com
We should send them all to W.H. Smith's.

Date: 2005-12-13 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestial-fluke.livejournal.com
i agree with you on nearly all counts (oh and that book was about Mary Magdelene - Jesus the mortal prophet's wife - Jesus was not made a deity until 3rd century by some roman emperor who wanted to control the pagans by backing christianity).

i don't believe in God, just as i don't believe in this bed i am sitting on or the room around me - i don't have to believe, i know God is there. i also embrace quite a lot of the pagan philosophy and believe in reincarnation - but only for those who don't get it right the first time (inc suicides) - or who wish to return for whatever reason. and yes, i agree that Hell is life on Earth, if one lets it be - certainly most humans do their utmost to make it a hell for everyone else around them... i do NOT worship Jesus as i'm not into worshipping false idols - amazing person but too many people seem to be confusing him with God ... oh and who is jerry garcia? *looks at tub of 'cherry garcia' icecream and gets confused*

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