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docwebsterOkay. You hate Christmas. We get the idea. Now would you kindly shut the fuck up and quit pissing on my parade, already? Geez. Take an Ex-Lax. From the sound of things, it'll improve your fucking mood.
Before anybody asks, NO this isn't directed at any one person. But I weary of nimrods who live by "misery is company" and insist on dragging down the moods of folks like me who DO enjoy the season.
So, in review, shut the fuck up or so help me Ghu I am going to rip your throat out and bugger you to death with the tonsil end.
(from another post, I give you this)
Christmas.
You know, I'm not by any means a stereotypical Christian. Not even close, it must be said. But I do get mightily annoyed when people don't treat it with as much respect as they would like for their religion, or lack thereof as the case may be. If you want respect, you give respect. Otherwise, kindly shut your fucking face. Hypocrisy doesn't wear well on anyone, least of all people who presumably have an intelligence quotient somewhat above that of a squashed gnat.
There is one extremely dear person whose journal shall remain nameless (because this person truly is very cool, but if they choose to react to this, it's not my place to say them nay) who had , in their journal, one of the most condescending things I've ever read. To wit, referring to Christ as "An imaginary friend". In other words, if you believe in Christ you're displaying the approximate maturity of a preschooler. Nice.
I reiterate: it's perfectly okay if you don't believe. It's perfectly okay if your religion of choice is worshipping a left handed Albanian dentist from Newark named Morty. But do *not* look down your nose at those who believe in Christ, simply because they believe in the brand that's been (arguably) number one on the metaphysical hit parade for the last couple millenia or so.
And don't come to me with "Well the Christian religion has been blahblahblahing the worshippers of blahblahblah for x number of years" (or any of the innumerable variations thereupon) argument. That's not the issue here. The issue is inherent hypocrisy. In short, knock it the hell off.
Before anybody asks, NO this isn't directed at any one person. But I weary of nimrods who live by "misery is company" and insist on dragging down the moods of folks like me who DO enjoy the season.
So, in review, shut the fuck up or so help me Ghu I am going to rip your throat out and bugger you to death with the tonsil end.
(from another post, I give you this)
Christmas.
You know, I'm not by any means a stereotypical Christian. Not even close, it must be said. But I do get mightily annoyed when people don't treat it with as much respect as they would like for their religion, or lack thereof as the case may be. If you want respect, you give respect. Otherwise, kindly shut your fucking face. Hypocrisy doesn't wear well on anyone, least of all people who presumably have an intelligence quotient somewhat above that of a squashed gnat.
There is one extremely dear person whose journal shall remain nameless (because this person truly is very cool, but if they choose to react to this, it's not my place to say them nay) who had , in their journal, one of the most condescending things I've ever read. To wit, referring to Christ as "An imaginary friend". In other words, if you believe in Christ you're displaying the approximate maturity of a preschooler. Nice.
I reiterate: it's perfectly okay if you don't believe. It's perfectly okay if your religion of choice is worshipping a left handed Albanian dentist from Newark named Morty. But do *not* look down your nose at those who believe in Christ, simply because they believe in the brand that's been (arguably) number one on the metaphysical hit parade for the last couple millenia or so.
And don't come to me with "Well the Christian religion has been blahblahblahing the worshippers of blahblahblah for x number of years" (or any of the innumerable variations thereupon) argument. That's not the issue here. The issue is inherent hypocrisy. In short, knock it the hell off.
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Date: 2003-12-19 06:20 am (UTC)*whine whine whine*
Date: 2003-12-19 06:21 am (UTC)Holiday doldrums are unlike me. If I get depressed I raid a dollar store and get my friends goofy gifts. But it seems the life has fluttered out of me. It feels like there's a party on and I'm hard pressed to open the door.
It doens't help it's that week women hate and men fear.
Help me, Doc! Make me smile and involve a candy cane of some sort. Or recommendations to get me in the mood
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Date: 2003-12-19 06:31 am (UTC)Re: *whine whine whine*
Date: 2003-12-19 06:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 06:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 06:50 am (UTC)this holiday is important to you for many reasons so don't let someone else's bad mood get you down. be happy, smile, be strong in your chosen faith and remember what you do have.
to me this holiday is about family (and friends) and i'm grateful to have mine surround me daily. (most of the time :))
very nice
Date: 2003-12-20 05:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 06:51 am (UTC)would you mind if i make a link to this entry in my lj? its exactly how i feel.
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Date: 2003-12-19 06:58 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2003-12-19 07:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 07:27 am (UTC)I personally am one of those who suck the greasy doodah of the dark whatsit (as
I have a tree in my living room and there are little wooden ANGELS and SHEPHERDS on it, not elves or crystals or dragons or feathery Celtic first-menstruation-commemorating dream catchers. That's the way it should be, in my view.
As an anthropology text put it:
"This 'origins' bias privileging the original over subsequent meanings also works in reverse: when religions like Christianity take over an older practise and 'Christianize' it (Christmas trees, for example), the modern tendency is to see this as the retention of paganism with a veneer of Christianity, rather than as a transformative process in which old and new ideas interact to create a new and meaningful ritual with ties to the past."
- Karen Jolly, Athlone History of Magic
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Date: 2003-12-19 08:08 am (UTC)dear cav,
please get me one of these for christmas. thank you.
love
^b^
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Date: 2003-12-19 08:11 am (UTC)good think my computer chair mat is spikey side down.
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Date: 2003-12-19 08:45 am (UTC)(Just added you, btw. I took a curious glance at your userinfo and anybody that's interested in batty's ass is cool by me. Hee hee.)
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Date: 2003-12-19 10:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 10:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 10:04 am (UTC)I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-22 01:10 pm (UTC)The early Christians recognized the need to dispense with the other dominant indigenous religions and through that assimilation they had to make it an easy/acceptable transition for the people. So they centered all their holidays around the already known and accepted holidays keeping with that holiday's central theme/celebration.
The 'Christian Story' as you put it just happens to mirror the pagan story behind the feast of Saturnalia - which is allegorical one, not one that makes claims of event. The Christian take on the story has events that are totally unsubstantiated, didn't even occur in December (the date was 'chosen' by Pope Julius and isn't mentioned in the Bible) and is centered around a person who *may* have existed. It is interesting that the Bible is the ONLY document that outlines his life when born into a society of ravenous documentarians.
Justify your beliefs however it makes you feel better, but realize that the egocentric nature of your comments is a sin in your god's eyes.
Re: I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-23 05:28 am (UTC)No it isn't. I'm a pagan.
Re: I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-23 08:43 am (UTC)Re: I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-23 12:54 pm (UTC)One doesn't have to be Christian to find certain attitudes prevalent among neopagans annoying and ignorant, just as one could find fault with certain attitudes typical of Christians while being Christian oneself.
Re: I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-23 03:38 pm (UTC)So I guess I have to apologize for being so off the mark about you ;)
(but I can't agree with calling the smothering of other religions holiday's being called a "new and meaningful ritual with ties to the past" although maybe that's because that's not at all how the general christian population would ever put it, or intended it)
Re: I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-23 12:55 pm (UTC)Re: I'm not a neopagan, mind you, but...
Date: 2003-12-23 01:35 pm (UTC)Here (http://stardust23.diaryland.com/images/img_2489tattoo2.jpg) is a closer pic. it says 'a la mode, a la mort' which loosely means 'with fashion, with death'
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Date: 2003-12-19 07:27 am (UTC)That is kind of a natural human tendancy (failing, some might say).
The only ones who've ever managed to intrique me are those that say, "I certainly don't know what is truth and what is not. How could I, I am merely human. I do, however, have my own perspective if you'd like to hear it. It could be wrong, but I find some beauty in it..."
Fear the man who lives by one book.
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Date: 2003-12-19 07:47 am (UTC)The only thing I have against Christmas is I have to keep re-stocking the Christmas Puddings at work - it's a bugger to balance those things you know *g*.
Acutally that poor attempt at humour does veil one of the things which does bother me about Christmas: the crass commercialism. I have no objections to anyone celebrating their religon (well I might object if they wanted to sacrafice 7 virgins at the next full moon. But only because no-one ever invites me to those kinds of party), providing as you've indicated they extend the same courtesy to everyone else. I do think if the neopagans (for it does always seem to be them) are going to whinge about no-one respecting their religon they could at least start by setting an example and respect everyone elses.
Now someone chuck another Christian on the fire; it's getting cold.
we are having a run on aisle 7
Date: 2003-12-19 08:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 10:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 08:12 am (UTC)Meowy Christmas!
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Date: 2003-12-19 08:20 am (UTC)*pet*
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Date: 2003-12-19 11:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-12-19 08:12 am (UTC)Christmas very seriously
Date: 2003-12-19 11:24 am (UTC)You are 'Hark! The Herald Angels Sing'. You take
Christmas very seriously. For you, it is a
religious festival, celebrating the birth of
the Saviour, and its current secularisation
really irritates you. You enjoy the period of
Advent leading up to Christmas, and attend any
local carol services you can find, as well as
the more contemplative Advent church services
each Sunday. You may be involved in Christmas
food collections or similar charity work. The
midnight service at your church, with candles
and carols, is one you look forward to all
year, and you also look forward to the family
get together on Christmas Day.
(http://quizilla.com/users/17catherines/quizzes/What%20Christmas%20Carol%20are%20you%3F/)
hey batty
Date: 2003-12-19 12:01 pm (UTC)Re: hey batty
Date: 2003-12-19 12:06 pm (UTC)I apologize in advance for being the black fly in your Chardonney
Date: 2003-12-19 01:47 pm (UTC)I just wish that there were some place for me to escape from the ubiquity of "good cheer." Far too many people on the other side of the fence feel justified in treating me like a freak because I don't enjoy the season. For the record, I know I'm the freak. It's not like I chose to be stressed out and depressed from Thanksgiving to New Year's.
If you wish me a Merry Christmas, I will nod politely and wish you the same. I do hope you have a happy day, a happy season, and a happy life. If you invite me to partake in your yuletide festivities, I will politely decline. It's not until you look me in the eye and say earnestly, "But, it's Christmas," that you're eligible for the first hint of my feelings on the subject. Only if you persist in your prostheletizing will I open up on you with both barrels and tell you where to stick your mistletoe.
I will thank you very much not to parade through my rain.
Re: I apologize in advance for being the black fly in your Chardonney
Date: 2003-12-19 03:55 pm (UTC)Just to play devil's advocate ....
Date: 2003-12-19 06:16 pm (UTC)(Not that I'd be commenting about any current events. Oh gosh deary me no. Of course not. Perish the thought.)
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Date: 2003-12-19 06:39 pm (UTC)I've heard that before. It made me wonder if the person who said it was feeling so hurt at not being able to feel a higher power that they had to lash out somehow.
BTW, heard this great interview on NPR on Wednesday night (December 17, 2003) on Fresh Air. Bowman and Gordon Gray professor of religious studies at UNC-CH, Bart D. Ehrman. He was discussing his book Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew. I highly recommend listening to the interview. (The book is now on my wishlist.)
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Date: 2003-12-20 06:29 am (UTC)Merry Christmas my friend!